H_ENE_2023A 02/09/2023 01:34:23 PM Committee Summary PUBLICSTAFF SUMMARY OF MEETINGHOUSE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT Date 02/09/2023 Attendance DeGraaf X Dickson X Evans X Froelich X Valdez X Velasco X Vigil X Weissman X Winter T. X Willford * Kipp X Time 01:34:23 PM to 05:14:05 PM Place LSB A This Meeting was called to order by Kipp This Report was prepared by Samantha Falco Hearing Items Action Taken hPresentation from National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) and Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) Committee Discussion Only hHB23-1127 Postponed Indefinitely hHB23-1137 Amended, referred to the Committee of the Whole HB23-1127 - Committee Discussion Only Attachment Tag File Name Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2023A/commsumm.nsf/0/9C43BED9A07A...$File/Attachment A.pdf?OpenElement Attachment A.pdf 01:36:45 PM Josh Schaidle with the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) and Rudy Kashar with Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) presented to the committee on carbon capture. Their presentation is included as Attachment A. Their presentation gave an overview of carbon dioxide removal and carbon capture, utilization, and storage. 01:58:03 PM The committee asked questions regarding industrial carbon capture, how many gigatons of carbon exist in the world overall, capacity for carbon capture having a large increase projected for 2024, minerals used to naturally react with CO2, the cost benefit of removing one gigaton of carbon, the environmental impact of gigatons of carbon being removed, emissions leaking from plugged wells, policy to address carbon, and carbon dioxide in limestone. Presentation from National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) and Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) - Committee Discussion Only Attachment Tag File Name Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2023A/commsumm.nsf/0/6C51C5D68F50...$File/Attachment B.pdf?OpenElement Attachment B.pdf 02:27:00 PM Nathan Iyer and TJ Kirk with RMI gave a presentation to the committee on hydrogen. The presentation is included as Attachment B. 02:37:57 PM The committee asked questions about electrolyzers. The presentation continued. 02:44:14 PM The committee asked questions about storing ammonia, who is consuming the most hydrogen, hydrogen for machines, energy produced by hydrogen, rates of geothermal and wind production for hydrogen, transporting hydrogen, tax credits from the federal government, industries that will be impacted by hydrogen, rates of capturing versus using hydrogen, and how much energy is lost with grey hydrogen. HB23-1127 - Postponed Indefinitely Attachment Tag File Name Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2023A/commsumm.nsf/0/9E71B4D1B753...$File/Attachment C.pdf?OpenElement Attachment C.pdf 03:15:20 PM Sponsor of the bill, Representative Winter, gave an overview of House Bill 23-1127 Consumers Right to Use Energy. The bill protects the customer's right to use natural gas, propane, solar photovoltaics, micro wind turbines, or micro hydroelctricity. The committee asked questions about how many localities have these regulations in place. 03:27:20 PM Ruth Hund, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill. Meghan MacKillop, representing Colorado Municipal League, testified in opposition to the bill. Susan Nedell, representing Environmental Entrepreneurs (E2), testified in opposition to the bill. Ron Bennett, representing 350 Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill. Sarah Snead, representing Sierra Club, testified in opposition to the bill. The committee asked questions about what would happen if net zero carbon was reached. 03:43:13 PM Mr. Daniel Binning, representing Colorado Propane Gas Associations, testified in support of the bill. Cory Gaines, representing themself, testified in support of the bill. Mr. Nathan Nicholson, representing Colorado Propane Gas Association , testified in support of the bill. Dan Haley, representing Colorado Oil & Gas Association, testified in support of the bill. Alejandra Major, representing American Petroleum Institute, testified in support of the bill. The committee asked questions regarding propane tanks versus natural gas in neighborhoods, propane efficiency, impact on the grid if dependent on renewable energy, the cost difference between electric only homes versus other methods, carbon dioxide implications, and natural gas heating. Additional written testimony is included as Attachment C. 04:07:17 PM The sponsor of the bill gave closing comments. The committee gave closing comments. 04:37:35 PM Motion Refer House Bill 23-1127 to the Committee of the Whole. Moved Winter T. Seconded DeGraaf DeGraaf Yes Dickson No Evans Yes Froelich No Valdez No Velasco No Vigil No Weissman No Winter T. Yes Willford No Kipp No YES: 3 NO: 8 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: FAIL 04:37:53 PM Motion Postpone House Bill 23-1127 indefinitely using a reversal of the previous roll call. There was no objection to the use of the reverse roll call, therefore, the bill was postponed indefinitely. Moved Weissman Seconded Willford DeGraaf No Dickson Yes Evans No Froelich Yes Valdez Yes Velasco Yes Vigil Yes Weissman Yes Winter T. No Willford Yes Kipp Yes Final YES: 8 NO: 3 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS HB23-1137 - Amended, referred to the Committee of the Whole Attachment Tag File Name Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2023A/commsumm.nsf/0/2514B38EB548...$File/Attachment D.pdf?OpenElement Attachment D.pdf Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2023A/commsumm.nsf/0/593DC3EA6C73...$File/Attachment E.pdf?OpenElement Attachment E.pdf 04:38:08 PM Co-sponsors of the bill, Representatives Lukens and Valdez, gave an overview of House Bill 23-1137 Solar Garden Net Metering Credits Stabilization. The bill addresses measures to stabilize net metering credits calculated for an electric retail utility's purchase of electric output from a community solar garden. The committee asked if it is zero-emission or displaced-emission and about utilities valuing energy in the future, 04:49:51 PM Mr. John Bernhardt, representing Pivot Energy, testified in support of the bill. Kevin Cray, representing Coalition for Community Solar Access, testified in support of the bill. Ron Bennett, representing 350 Colorado, testified in support of the bill. 04:55:49 PM The committee asked questions about fixed rates adjusting for inflation and discretion of the Public Utilities Commission. 04:58:00 PM Representative Lukens introduced Amendment L.001 (Attachment D). 04:59:04 PM The committee asked questions about cost recovery, Xcel Energy's support of the bill, and the extent of the costs. Michael Sap, representing Xcel Energy, answered questions from the committee. 05:06:39 PM The committee made comments on amendment L.001. 05:08:02 PM Motion Adopt amendment L.001 Moved Weissman Seconded Froelich DeGraaf No Dickson No Evans Yes Froelich No Valdez Excused Velasco Yes Vigil Yes Weissman Yes Winter T. Yes Willford No Kipp No YES: 5 NO: 5 EXC: 1 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: FAIL 05:08:05 PM Representative Lukens introduced Amendment L.002 (Attachment E). 05:09:54 PM The committee made comments on the bill. 05:10:11 PM Motion Adopt amendment L.002 Moved Froelich Seconded Weissman DeGraaf Dickson Evans Froelich Valdez Excused Velasco Vigil Weissman Winter T. Willford Kipp YES: 0 NO: 0 EXC: 1 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: Pass Without Objection 05:10:14 PM Co-sponsors of the bill gave closing comments on the bill. The committee gave closing comments on the bill. 05:13:16 PM Motion Refer House Bill 23-1137, as amended, to the Committee of the Whole. Moved Valdez Seconded DeGraaf DeGraaf Yes Dickson Yes Evans Yes Froelich Yes Valdez Yes Velasco Yes Vigil Yes Weissman Yes Winter T. Yes Willford Yes Kipp Yes Final YES: 11 NO: 0 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS 05:14:05 PM The committee adjourned.